31-Oct-2002  
RS232 to CAN Converter. CAN232 is a dongle that plugs into any PC COM
Port, or any other RS232 port in an embedded system and gives an instant
CAN connectivity. This means it can be treated by software as a standard
COM Port which eliminates the need for any extra drivers. Send and
receive can be done in standard ASCII format. 
http://www.dontronics.com/candip.html 

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Hello Everyone,

I am currently working on my Thesis project and I need to do a Trade 
off analysis (just for the requirements stuff) and I need some help 
on this. Can anyone tell me where I can find the various resources 
for doing this kinda stuff. Specifically asking for a Trade off 
analysis between Bluetooth, Infra red, Radio frequency tranceivers 
(900MHz, 400MHz and 4.9MHz). Also could you please tell me where 
else to find some more Wireless applications to collect data from 
sensors and send them across to a PC.

Thank you,
Mohan

Chris,

I program PIC's all the time with code from WIZ-C and the DT boards.

16F84, 16F628, 16F877 all seem to work fimne for me.

I'll check the fuse word I use on the 877...I don't recall off the top and,
at the moment, I'm not near the PC I use to do that work.

Mac

   From: "Chris Dohan" <dohan@W...>
> Subject: DT001 + Wiz-C Compiler + WinPicProg Programming
>
> Does anyone here happen to use the DT001 Simmstick programming board from
> DonTronics along with Wiz-C and programs the PIC with WinPicProg.
> I have one
> HEX file someone sent me as a test that I can program correctly into a
> PIC16F877 (on the DT106 board). However, every program I compile
> from Wiz-C
> does not program for some reason. I am guessing it has something
> to do with
> the fuses however I am not sure. I have tried every possible fuse
> setting I
> can think of. Right now I am using $393A. I have ruled out it has
> to do with
> the hardware. If anyone has any luck with this combination please
> reply back
> to me (either on or off the list).

Thanks for checking. I think I actually resolved that issue finally. I found
out I have two problems. The first was I simply tried to verify the
programming after each program in WinPicProg, however it always said it
failed right away. When I read it back it would come up blank. However I
found out (after many many hours) that it actually does program even though
verifying it does not say it (and screws it up). I wonder if you have this
problem??

The second is simply a problem with my compiler. The two combined gave me a
very hard time.

Just for reference, I can use fuse values of 393A and everything works
alright.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob McIlvaine [mailto:suemac@e...]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:33 PM
To: simmstick@yahoogroups.com
Cc: dohan@W...
Subject: RE: DT001 + Wiz-C Compiler + WinPicProg Programming


Chris,

I program PIC's all the time with code from WIZ-C and the DT boards.

16F84, 16F628, 16F877 all seem to work fimne for me.

I'll check the fuse word I use on the 877...I don't recall off the top and,
at the moment, I'm not near the PC I use to do that work.

Mac

   From: "Chris Dohan" <dohan@W...>
> Subject: DT001 + Wiz-C Compiler + WinPicProg Programming
>
> Does anyone here happen to use the DT001 Simmstick programming board from
> DonTronics along with Wiz-C and programs the PIC with WinPicProg.
> I have one
> HEX file someone sent me as a test that I can program correctly into a
> PIC16F877 (on the DT106 board). However, every program I compile
> from Wiz-C
> does not program for some reason. I am guessing it has something
> to do with
> the fuses however I am not sure. I have tried every possible fuse
> setting I
> can think of. Right now I am using $393A. I have ruled out it has
> to do with
> the hardware. If anyone has any luck with this combination please
> reply back
> to me (either on or off the list).

hi,
 did anybody connect a pic to a network interface?

I want to connect a pic based system to a LAN..
(an unexpensive pic ;)  )

I'll appreciate any sugestions/help

thank you

irares@e... wrote:
> hi,
>  did anybody connect a pic to a network interface?
> 
> I want to connect a pic based system to a LAN..
> (an unexpensive pic ;)  )
> 
> I'll appreciate any sugestions/help
> 
> thank you

There is currently a discussion on the piclist regarding using a Realtek 8019
LAN chip connected to a PIC.

Your best bet would be to search the piclist archives for recent postings.
check www.piclist.com

Regards
Sergio Masci

http://www.xcprod.com

FREE Structured BASIC PIC compiler.
Also Assemblers, Simulators and CASE tools

hi,
 did anybody connect a pic to a network interface?

I want to connect a pic based system to a LAN..
(an unexpensive pic ;)  )

I'll appreciate any sugestions/help

thank you



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> hi,
>  did anybody connect a pic to a network interface?
> 
> I want to connect a pic based system to a LAN..
> (an unexpensive pic ;)  )
> 
> I'll appreciate any sugestions/help
> 
> thank you
> 
>

hi,
did anybody connect a pic to a network interface?

I want to connect a pic based system to a LAN..
(an unexpensive pic ;)  )

I'll appreciate any sugestions/help

thank you


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I'm a newbie getting into this hobby and just purchased a dt006 from 
dontronics along with 2 AT90S2313-04-PC.. My question is, can I just 
program them just like that or do I need more hardware?

Can the dt006 program those Mega103 with 64 pins? Thank you in 
advance! :)

-Charles

dt2002

> I'm a newbie getting into this hobby and just purchased a dt006 from 
> dontronics along with 2 AT90S2313-04-PC.. My question is, can I just 
> program them just like that or do I need more hardware?

You can program them just like that with the addition of
a PC with a parallel port and a 25 pin straight through parallel
cable (or just 4 pins if you make your own). That plus software,
ie. AVRStudio4 or gcc to program in assembler or gcc or perhaps
Bascom if you want to program in basic. The bascom can also
program the chip which is a separate action from creating the
program in assemble/gcc/basic.

> 
> Can the dt006 program those Mega103 with 64 pins? Thank you in 
> advance! :)

Not sure about that one but as far as I know you can only go
up to the 28 pin parts. That would include some megas like the 
atmega8s but not the 64/40 pin parts.

Don

Do I need two types of software? One to code it in asm and then 
another one to upload it to the chip? 

Are there apps out there where I can code in C, C++, or in Java? 
Thanks in advance!

--- In simmstick@y..., "dshesnicky" <dshesnicky@y...> wrote:
> 
> > I'm a newbie getting into this hobby and just purchased a dt006 
from 
> > dontronics along with 2 AT90S2313-04-PC.. My question is, can I 
just 
> > program them just like that or do I need more hardware?
> 
> You can program them just like that with the addition of
> a PC with a parallel port and a 25 pin straight through parallel
> cable (or just 4 pins if you make your own). That plus software,
> ie. AVRStudio4 or gcc to program in assembler or gcc or perhaps
> Bascom if you want to program in basic. The bascom can also
> program the chip which is a separate action from creating the
> program in assemble/gcc/basic.
> 
> > 
> > Can the dt006 program those Mega103 with 64 pins? Thank you in 
> > advance! :)
> 
> Not sure about that one but as far as I know you can only go
> up to the 28 pin parts. That would include some megas like the 
> atmega8s but not the 64/40 pin parts.
> 
> Don

gcc from avrfreaks -> c, c++ and asm

avrstudio 3 -> asm
get version 3.55 unless your using an ice

bascom -> basic

as the software is available for the cost of a download
get gcc and avstudio

you will also need to download programming software to load
your program into the chip

http://www.avrfreaks.com   look at the turorials

http://www.avrfreaks.com/AVRGCC/index.php  for gcc

http://www.avrfreaks.com/AVRGCC/coding.php  getting started notes

http://www.avrfreaks.com/AVRGCC/progsim.php  AvrStudio information
http://www.avrfreaks.com/Tools/showtools.php?ToolID=104 Avrstudio 3
information

also have a read of the dontronics pages.

especially the one for dt006
http://www.dontronics.com/dt006_programming.html
Read the whole of this page. Especially near the bottom.

the avr links page                 http://www.dontronics.com/atmel.html

atmel software  avrsstudio + examples
http://www.atmel.com/atmel/products/prod23.htm

Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: "eqido" <eqido@y...>
To: <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:39 AM
Subject: [simmstick] Re: I just purchased one a dt006.. a few questions for
you dt006 users...


> Do I need two types of software? One to code it in asm and then
> another one to upload it to the chip?
>
> Are there apps out there where I can code in C, C++, or in Java?
> Thanks in advance!
>
> --- In simmstick@y..., "dshesnicky" <dshesnicky@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm a newbie getting into this hobby and just purchased a dt006
> from
> > > dontronics along with 2 AT90S2313-04-PC.. My question is, can I
> just
> > > program them just like that or do I need more hardware?
> >
> > You can program them just like that with the addition of
> > a PC with a parallel port and a 25 pin straight through parallel
> > cable (or just 4 pins if you make your own). That plus software,
> > ie. AVRStudio4 or gcc to program in assembler or gcc or perhaps
> > Bascom if you want to program in basic. The bascom can also
> > program the chip which is a separate action from creating the
> > program in assemble/gcc/basic.
> >
> > >
> > > Can the dt006 program those Mega103 with 64 pins? Thank you in
> > > advance! :)
> >
> > Not sure about that one but as far as I know you can only go
> > up to the 28 pin parts. That would include some megas like the
> > atmega8s but not the 64/40 pin parts.
> >
> > Don
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "eqido" <eqido@y...>
To: <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:39 AM
Subject: [simmstick] Re: I just purchased one a dt006.. a few questions for
you dt006 users...


> Do I need two types of software? One to code it in asm and then
> another one to upload it to the chip?
>
> Are there apps out there where I can code in C, C++, or in Java?
> Thanks in advance!
>

Java

Yes it is possible.

Even the smallest vm (virtual machine)  needs a good chunk of memory.
what is implemented depends on how much memory and how powerful the procesor
is.
So the really small implmentations
are either java like or very small subsets of java.

Found the link
http://lejos.sourceforge.net/
http://lejos.sourceforge.net/faq.html
http://lejos.sourceforge.net/apidocs/index.html
From the web site:
Like its predecessor (TinyVM), leJOS is a tiny Java (tm) runtime. It
functions as replacement firmware for the Lego Mindstorms (tm) RCX, a
programmable brick which is part of Lego's Robotics Invention System (tm)
(RIS). The RCX contains a Hitachi H8300 processor and 32 Kb of RAM (of which
28 Kb are safe for the firmware to use). We have plans to port leJOS to
other small devices.
leJOS is replacement firmware for the Lego Mindstorms RCX brick - a JVM that
fits within the 32kb on the RCX.

I couldn't find anything on ports to other chips.

Also tinyvm
http://tinyvm.sourceforge.net/
from the web page:
TinyVM's footprint is about 10 Kb in the RCX
Limitations
Evidently, it isn't feasible to put a complete Java runtime in 32 Kb, let
alone 10 Kb.
The most important limitations and missing features of TinyVM are:
No garbage collection
No floating point support
No switch statements
String constants are ignored


For most java vm's you would need a larger and more expensive chip.
like http://www.embedded-web.com/products/ejchard.htm
Depending on the virtual machine and what features are avaiable
you are going to need something a lot larger and faster than an avr.
Most likely a 32 bit processor. High end embedded (youch price wise)
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-1998/jw-01-embedded.html
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-1998/jw-01-embedded-p2.html
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-1998/jw-01-embedded-p3.html
see drawbacks. 32 bit processor 1 MB ram minimum.
Also is slow!!!

The big problem with all the network attached stuff is security, do you
want someone hacking into your factory floor control unit which used to
be plc based which supposedly is turning into a java programmed
network / internet attached device.

see http://www.metva.com.au/auugvic/av_paper_java.html
From the page:
A lower limit would appear to be one of the 16+ bit processors
like Intel's higher x86 family members or Motorola`s 683xx embedded
processor family. Clearly also, we will need something like 64kb to 192kb of
memory space plus support for the files we will need to serve and room
for the application we are actually attempting to interface to.

FYI - If your interested in Java, the way to go is defiantly the JStamp from
Systronix, which is a real-time native java "Stamp" that uses the J2ME
architecture. Can't beat that for Java enabled systems. Biggest drawback...
it's expensive.

- Brill Pappin
  Rogue Robotics
  www.roguerobotics.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "al" <alxx@i...>
To: <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [simmstick] Re: I just purchased one a dt006.. a few questions
for you dt006 users...


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "eqido" <eqido@y...>
> To: <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:39 AM
> Subject: [simmstick] Re: I just purchased one a dt006.. a few questions
for
> you dt006 users...
>
>
> > Do I need two types of software? One to code it in asm and then
> > another one to upload it to the chip?
> >
> > Are there apps out there where I can code in C, C++, or in Java?
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
>
> Java
>
> Yes it is possible.
>
> Even the smallest vm (virtual machine)  needs a good chunk of memory.
> what is implemented depends on how much memory and how powerful the
procesor
> is.
> So the really small implmentations
> are either java like or very small subsets of java.
>
> Found the link
> http://lejos.sourceforge.net/
> http://lejos.sourceforge.net/faq.html
> http://lejos.sourceforge.net/apidocs/index.html
> From the web site:
> Like its predecessor (TinyVM), leJOS is a tiny Java (tm) runtime. It
> functions as replacement firmware for the Lego Mindstorms (tm) RCX, a
> programmable brick which is part of Lego's Robotics Invention System (tm)
> (RIS). The RCX contains a Hitachi H8300 processor and 32 Kb of RAM (of
which
> 28 Kb are safe for the firmware to use). We have plans to port leJOS to
> other small devices.
> leJOS is replacement firmware for the Lego Mindstorms RCX brick - a JVM
that
> fits within the 32kb on the RCX.
>
> I couldn't find anything on ports to other chips.
>
> Also tinyvm
> http://tinyvm.sourceforge.net/
> from the web page:
> TinyVM's footprint is about 10 Kb in the RCX
> Limitations
> Evidently, it isn't feasible to put a complete Java runtime in 32 Kb, let
> alone 10 Kb.
> The most important limitations and missing features of TinyVM are:
> No garbage collection
> No floating point support
> No switch statements
> String constants are ignored
>
>
> For most java vm's you would need a larger and more expensive chip.
> like http://www.embedded-web.com/products/ejchard.htm
> Depending on the virtual machine and what features are avaiable
> you are going to need something a lot larger and faster than an avr.
> Most likely a 32 bit processor. High end embedded (youch price wise)
> http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-1998/jw-01-embedded.html
> http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-1998/jw-01-embedded-p2.html
> http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-1998/jw-01-embedded-p3.html
> see drawbacks. 32 bit processor 1 MB ram minimum.
> Also is slow!!!
>
> The big problem with all the network attached stuff is security, do you
> want someone hacking into your factory floor control unit which used to
> be plc based which supposedly is turning into a java programmed
> network / internet attached device.
>
> see http://www.metva.com.au/auugvic/av_paper_java.html
> From the page:
> A lower limit would appear to be one of the 16+ bit processors
> like Intel's higher x86 family members or Motorola`s 683xx embedded
> processor family. Clearly also, we will need something like 64kb to 192kb
of
> memory space plus support for the files we will need to serve and room
> for the application we are actually attempting to interface to.
>
>
>
>
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>
>

> Do I need two types of software? One to code it in asm and then 
> another one to upload it to the chip? 

The exact answer here is yes in most cases. If you want to
program in basic you can just get Bascom and it can program in
basic, produce the binary code and then program it into the
chip. In asm and C I believe there are no free programs to
do that easily with the DT006. 

There is another free software that can be used to program the 
chip, from a previous posting:

  SP12 http://home.wanadoo.nl/electro1/avr/sp12.htm

With the DT006 I believe you would have to make a custom
parallel cable instead of using a straight through. I'm
leaning in this direction because I'm not real happy with
Bascom.

Don

> avrstudio 3 -> asm
> get version 3.55 unless your using an ice

Al,
I came across something on avrfreaks that said yse avrstudio3
and now saw your posting. What's the reason for not using v4.

Don

----- Original Message -----
From: "dshesnicky" <dshesnicky@y...>
To: <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 1:57 AM
Subject: [simmstick] Re: I just purchased one a dt006.. a few questions for
you dt006 users...


>
> > avrstudio 3 -> asm
> > get version 3.55 unless your using an ice
>
> Al,
> I came across something on avrfreaks that said yse avrstudio3
> and now saw your posting. What's the reason for not using v4.
>


Studio 3
Less bugs.
Lot smaller 7MB instead of 17MB.
It works. Third party compiler support.So
if your using c you need this one.

Studio 4. larger 17MB
Needs windows installer ( msi).
writen for windows 2000 / xp.
Had programming not complete on more occasions.
Looks a bit like visual studio (microsoft product)
No third party compiler support including gcc.
still seems to be a beta


support info
http://www.atmel.com/atmel/acrobat/AvrStudioFactSheet.pdf

See http://www.atmel.com/atmel/products/prod203.htm
from above link
AVR Studio is the development software environment for all AVR products.
AVR Studio 4 is the new Integrated Development Environment (IDE) currently
supporting ICE50, JTAGICE, ICE200 including all parts that are recognized
by these emulators. AVR Studio 4 also works as a front-end to STK500 and
AVRISP.
Currently we recommend users of other AVR Emulators such as ICE10,
ICE30 and ICEPRO to develop with AVR Studio 3.

seen the ad on www.atmel.com
http://www.atmel.com/ad/fastavr/index2.htm
where you  can "qualify" for a free stk500

May be time to ask them for a better deal on the stk500.
Espeically with other companies releasing new chips.
see zilog thread in aus.electronics.
Message-ID: <4ofgsukrd3qgmg38qkdm9359n0b4hs6hv2@4...>
Z8 Encore series flash + ansi c compiler + dev board all for Aus$92 with gst

Seen the new stk50202 addon or adaptor board
http://www.avrfreaks.com/Tools/showtools.php?ToolID=369


A few companies seem to be doing
more promotion and slightly dropping prices
since motorola dumped all those
free dev boards  a few weeks back.

Alex

> avrstudio 3 -> asm
> get version 3.55 unless your using an ice

Al,
I came across something on avrfreaks that said yse avrstudio3
and now saw your posting. What's the reason for not using v4.

Don

Speaking of ASM. Is it more x86 based or RISC? I know mips assembly, 
not sure if that'll help... Thanks, this board is soo helpful! :)

--- In simmstick@y..., "dshesnicky" <dshesnicky@y...> wrote:
> 
> > avrstudio 3 -> asm
> > get version 3.55 unless your using an ice
> 
> Al,
> I came across something on avrfreaks that said yse avrstudio3
> and now saw your posting. What's the reason for not using v4.
> 
> Don

Hi:

Is there a source for Simmstick boards ready for home etching? Or at least
the specific thickness of PC board?

Thanks in advance.
-- 
D. Jay Newman           !  I can bring whole cities to ruin, 
jay@s...     !    And still have time to get a soft-shoe in...
http://enerd.ws/        !      -- from Buffy, "Once More with Feeling"

Hi:

I like the "sea of holes" proto board, but I think it would be improved
if every other hole was joined to the one above...

Instead of

O O O O

O O O O

It could be:

0 0 0 0
| | | |
0 0 0 0

I just find myself constantly running wires like that.

Just a suggestion.
-- 
D. Jay Newman           !  I can bring whole cities to ruin, 
jay@s...     !    And still have time to get a soft-shoe in...
http://enerd.ws/        !      -- from Buffy, "Once More with Feeling"

its risc.
from http://www.dontronics.com/atmel.html
AVR = "Alf (Egil Bogen) and Vegard (Wollan) 's Risc processor"

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: "eqido" <eqido@y...>
To: <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:23 AM
Subject: [simmstick] Re: I just purchased one a dt006.. a few questions for
you dt006 users...


> Speaking of ASM. Is it more x86 based or RISC? I know mips assembly,
> not sure if that'll help... Thanks, this board is soo helpful! :)
>

Hi,
I just assembled my DT106 with a PIC16f877, and am after some applications to try out. Im looking for projects, where people have integrated the DT106 board into their projects.

I only have access to MPlab, It would be nice to have C or basic but there not free.

Ultimately,  Im interested making use of serial, LCD,and A/D in a project. I like to display 4 channels of A/D on 20x4 LCD display, and send the A/D value data out via  serial. I may also want to add a couple of switches to change mode, and digital I/O control.

Cheers

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sdcc  http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/   if you don't want to spend any thing.
seems to be progressing along for the pic.
the web page hasn't been updated for a while but
http://www.dattalo.com/gnupic/sdcc.html

www.picant.com cheap c compiler shareware  $45 US
http://www.picant.com/c2c/c.html  good libraries

see http://www.picant.com/c2c/examples.html   for 877 example
http://www.picant.com/c2c/examples/inter1.html  much simpler than assm

http://www.gnupic.org/

some interesting pic asm here.
sine waves,

Have a look at the piclist web pages.
Should be enough to give you a few ideas.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Williams" <bwilliam@d...>
To: <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: [simmstick] DT106 applications


> Hi,
> I just assembled my DT106 with a PIC16f877, and am after some applications
to try out. Im looking for projects, where people have integrated the DT106
board into their projects.
>
> I only have access to MPlab, It would be nice to have C or basic but there
not free.
>
> Ultimately,  Im interested making use of serial, LCD,and A/D in a project.
I like to display 4 channels of A/D on 20x4 LCD display, and send the A/D
value data out via  serial. I may also want to add a couple of switches to
change mode, and digital I/O control.
>
> Cheers

oops
missed the link
 
> some interesting pic asm here.
> sine waves,

interesting pic code sine waves , 256 level pwm etc
http://www.dattalo.com/technical/software/software.html
http://www.dattalo.com/technical/software/pic/debounce.html  debounce


Has anyone tried this ?
Posit 1.0
Multitasking Microcore for PIC16C84 based systems
http://www.picant.com/posit/posit.html

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brill Pappin" <brillpappin@r...>
To: <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [simmstick] Re: I just purchased one a dt006.. a few questions
for you dt006 users...


> FYI - If your interested in Java, the way to go is defiantly the JStamp
from
> Systronix, which is a real-time native java "Stamp" that uses the J2ME
> architecture. Can't beat that for Java enabled systems. Biggest
drawback...
> it's expensive.

And its java.
Had enough problems with java going between different platforms
(win32 and solaris) on the desktop(mostly GUI stuff).

No thanks. I'll think stick to c and asm.

What intrigues me is, is it a "hard" microprocessor or
a fpga with micro or csoc similar to the one xess sells.
(Triscend TE505 Configurable System on a Chip (CSoC) that
contains an enhanced 8032 microcontroller core combined
with an array of configurable system logic (CSL).  ) That has been
configured with with the jvm in the logic.

That is a lot of flash for a basic stamp replacement
(Jstamp or Jstamp+)

They claim them as low cost on the web pages.

Has anyone put a cpld on a simstick yet ?

Alex

> > FYI - If your interested in Java, the way to go is defiantly the JStamp
> from
> > Systronix, which is a real-time native java "Stamp" that uses the J2ME
> > architecture. Can't beat that for Java enabled systems. Biggest
> drawback...
> > it's expensive.
> 
> And its java.
> Had enough problems with java going between different platforms
> (win32 and solaris) on the desktop(mostly GUI stuff).
> 
> No thanks. I'll think stick to c and asm.
> 
> What intrigues me is, is it a "hard" microprocessor or
> a fpga with micro or csoc similar to the one xess sells.

Yes, it seems to be a *real* microprocessor. It is based on the
Ajile 80 (JStamp) or Ajile 100 (JStik).

> (Triscend TE505 Configurable System on a Chip (CSoC) that
> contains an enhanced 8032 microcontroller core combined
> with an array of configurable system logic (CSL).  ) That has been
> configured with with the jvm in the logic.
> 
> That is a lot of flash for a basic stamp replacement
> (Jstamp or Jstamp+)

That are a *lot* more powerful than a basic stamp.

> They claim them as low cost on the web pages.

If I remember, the cost is $100 for the JStamp and $130 for a JStamp+.

Systronics is putting out a SimmStick board for their JStamp; the JStik
is already a SimmStick. The JStamp dev system has two SimmStick slots;
I've already done a small motor controller for 6 motors (designed for
Lego mindstorms).
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jay@s...     !    And still have time to get a soft-shoe in...
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> And its java.
> Had enough problems with java going between different platforms
> (win32 and solaris) on the desktop(mostly GUI stuff).
>
> No thanks. I'll think stick to c and asm.

If you did, then you didn't write the code properly.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone very proficient in C,
think they can write code in Java well, just because they look similar...
its not the case, trust me on that one.

> What intrigues me is, is it a "hard" microprocessor or
> a fpga with micro or csoc similar to the one xess sells.
> (Triscend TE505 Configurable System on a Chip (CSoC) that
> contains an enhanced 8032 microcontroller core combined
> with an array of configurable system logic (CSL).  ) That has been
> configured with with the jvm in the logic.
>
> That is a lot of flash for a basic stamp replacement
> (Jstamp or Jstamp+)

It's a true microprocessor (not an microcontroller), and it has that much
memory because its very powerful, and can use it... how many other uP's do
you know of that have real-time threading built in?

> They claim them as low cost on the web pages.

Compared to a uC, its not, however it is comparable to a Stamp at about $100
USD (Depending on the stamp of course).

If you have any more questions about this please mail me privately, lets get
this out of Don's group ;)

- Brill Pappin
  Rogue Robotics
  www.roguerobotics.com

Repost:

> avrstudio 3 -> asm
> get version 3.55 unless your using an ice

Al,
I came across something on avrfreaks that said use avrstudio3
and now saw your posting. What's the reason for not using v4?

Don