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----- Original Message -----
From: "al" <alxx@i...>
To: <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: [simmstick] Re: I just purchased one a dt006.. a few questions
for you dt006 users...


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dshesnicky" <dshesnicky@y...>
> To: <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 1:57 AM
> Subject: [simmstick] Re: I just purchased one a dt006.. a few questions
for
> you dt006 users...
>
>
> >
> > > avrstudio 3 -> asm
> > > get version 3.55 unless your using an ice
> >
> > Al,
> > I came across something on avrfreaks that said yse avrstudio3
> > and now saw your posting. What's the reason for not using v4.
> >
>
>
> Studio 3
> Less bugs.
> Lot smaller 7MB instead of 17MB.
> It works. Third party compiler support.So
> if your using c you need this one.
>
> Studio 4. larger 17MB
> Needs windows installer ( msi).
> writen for windows 2000 / xp.
> Had programming not complete on more occasions.
> Looks a bit like visual studio (microsoft product)
> No third party compiler support including gcc.
> still seems to be a beta
>
>
> support info
> http://www.atmel.com/atmel/acrobat/AvrStudioFactSheet.pdf
>
> See http://www.atmel.com/atmel/products/prod203.htm
> from above link
> AVR Studio is the development software environment for all AVR products.
> AVR Studio 4 is the new Integrated Development Environment (IDE) currently
> supporting ICE50, JTAGICE, ICE200 including all parts that are recognized
> by these emulators. AVR Studio 4 also works as a front-end to STK500 and
> AVRISP.
> Currently we recommend users of other AVR Emulators such as ICE10,
> ICE30 and ICEPRO to develop with AVR Studio 3.
>
> seen the ad on www.atmel.com
> http://www.atmel.com/ad/fastavr/index2.htm
> where you  can "qualify" for a free stk500
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "dshesnicky" <dshesnicky@y...>
To: <simmstick@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 1:36 PM
Subject: [simmstick] avrstudio 3 vs 4


>
> Repost:
>
> > avrstudio 3 -> asm
> > get version 3.55 unless your using an ice
>
> Al,
> I came across something on avrfreaks that said use avrstudio3
> and now saw your posting. What's the reason for not using v4?

Probably because he can't get it to work. It kept crashing when I tried to
use it, so I gave up and went back to V3. I told Atmel support about it, but
they didn't seem very interested.

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11-Nov-2002
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Peter Crowcroft in HK Kitsrus.com (address above) has the 30 pin Simm
Sockets in stock. These are suitable for my SimmStick products.

He says:
Very nicely packaged.
40 sockets per plastic tray.
21 trays per carton.

So you can order in multiples of 40 direct from Peter. 
Get in quick, as I will be taking the lot off his hands in 1 or 2 weeks
time, and charging you a lot more I would think :-)

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Downloaded the reference manual (39500a.pdf) for PIC18 series 
microcontrollers from Microchip and saw chapters 23 and 24 referring to an 
analogue comparator. But the few datasheets I've seen for specific devices 
have no mention of a comparator. Does anyone know which (if any) devices 
have comparators in them?

Thanks in anticipation,
Rob

I recently purchased and assembled a DT006. 

The tests described on the dontronics web page work correctly 
(pressing switches 2 and 3 does light up LED's 3 and 4, and the RS232 
connection works correctly too) however I cannot get any of the 
programming utilities to recognise or write to the microcontroller. 

I have tried a few different computers and cables, I am 100% certain 
the parallel cables are good as they're used with an EPROM programmer 
and a flash programmer here at work, to be certain I got hold of a 
flat 25 way IDC cable and some 25 pin IDC connectors and made another 
cable. 

I've tried EPP and ECP parallel port settings. The BASCOM AVR demo 
reports that it couldn't identify the chip and the LED's do not light 
up when attempting to verify the chip.

Are there any other tests I can do to determine what the problem is? 
The board and all solder points visually look ok, I've tested most of 
them with a multimeter, all components are in their correct 
orientations and polarities.

Hi,

> The tests described on the dontronics web page work correctly
> (pressing switches 2 and 3 does light up LED's 3 and 4, and the RS232
> connection works correctly too) however I cannot get any of the
> programming utilities to recognise or write to the microcontroller.

Did you order the complete kit with the preprogrammed AT90S2313 or have you
supplied the bits yourself as the kit usually comes with a 2313
preprogrammed running some demo code that I think flashes the LEDs.

The buttons should make the LEDs go but I'm not sure if that means the 2313
is working.

What AVR are you using and what sort of xtal or resonator are you using
because if the oscillator is not working correctly then I don't think it
will be able to programme via the parallel port type programmer.

> I have tried a few different computers and cables, I am 100% certain
> the parallel cables are good as they're used with an EPROM programmer
> and a flash programmer here at work, to be certain I got hold of a
> flat 25 way IDC cable and some 25 pin IDC connectors and made another
> cable.

Sounds like the DT006 doesn't it.

> I've tried EPP and ECP parallel port settings. The BASCOM AVR demo
> reports that it couldn't identify the chip and the LED's do not light
> up when attempting to verify the chip.
>
> Are there any other tests I can do to determine what the problem is?
> The board and all solder points visually look ok, I've tested most of
> them with a multimeter, all components are in their correct
> orientations and polarities.

If you have you got a scope have a look around for life on the xtal and SPI
lines

Alex

Alex Shepherd wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > The tests described on the dontronics web page work correctly
> > (pressing switches 2 and 3 does light up LED's 3 and 4, and the RS232
> > connection works correctly too) however I cannot get any of the
> > programming utilities to recognise or write to the microcontroller.
>
> Did you order the complete kit with the preprogrammed AT90S2313 or have you
> supplied the bits yourself as the kit usually comes with a 2313
> preprogrammed running some demo code that I think flashes the LEDs.
>
> The buttons should make the LEDs go but I'm not sure if that means the 2313
> is working.

Unless the switches and LEDs are attached to the same port/pin then it's a fair
bet that the micro is running!

>
>
> What AVR are you using and what sort of xtal or resonator are you using
> because if the oscillator is not working correctly then I don't think it
> will be able to programme via the parallel port type programmer.
>
> > I have tried a few different computers and cables, I am 100% certain
> > the parallel cables are good as they're used with an EPROM programmer
> > and a flash programmer here at work, to be certain I got hold of a
> > flat 25 way IDC cable and some 25 pin IDC connectors and made another
> > cable.
>
> Sounds like the DT006 doesn't it.
>
> > I've tried EPP and ECP parallel port settings. The BASCOM AVR demo
> > reports that it couldn't identify the chip and the LED's do not light
> > up when attempting to verify the chip.
> >
> > Are there any other tests I can do to determine what the problem is?
> > The board and all solder points visually look ok, I've tested most of
> > them with a multimeter, all components are in their correct
> > orientations and polarities.
>
> If you have you got a scope have a look around for life on the xtal and SPI
> lines
>
> Alex
>
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--- In simmstick@y..., "Alex Shepherd" <ashepherd@w...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > The tests described on the dontronics web page work correctly
> > (pressing switches 2 and 3 does light up LED's 3 and 4, and the 
RS232
> > connection works correctly too) however I cannot get any of the
> > programming utilities to recognise or write to the 
microcontroller.
> 
> Did you order the complete kit with the preprogrammed AT90S2313 or 
have you
> supplied the bits yourself as the kit usually comes with a 2313
> preprogrammed running some demo code that I think flashes the LEDs.
> 
> The buttons should make the LEDs go but I'm not sure if that means 
the 2313
> is working.
> 
> What AVR are you using and what sort of xtal or resonator are you 
using
> because if the oscillator is not working correctly then I don't 
think it
> will be able to programme via the parallel port type programmer.
> 
> > I have tried a few different computers and cables, I am 100% 
certain
> > the parallel cables are good as they're used with an EPROM 
programmer
> > and a flash programmer here at work, to be certain I got hold of a
> > flat 25 way IDC cable and some 25 pin IDC connectors and made 
another
> > cable.
> 
> Sounds like the DT006 doesn't it.
> 
> > I've tried EPP and ECP parallel port settings. The BASCOM AVR demo
> > reports that it couldn't identify the chip and the LED's do not 
light
> > up when attempting to verify the chip.
> >
> > Are there any other tests I can do to determine what the problem 
is?
> > The board and all solder points visually look ok, I've tested 
most of
> > them with a multimeter, all components are in their correct
> > orientations and polarities.
> 
> If you have you got a scope have a look around for life on the xtal 
and SPI
> lines
> 
> Alex

Thanks Alex, 

I did order the complete kit, it came with a 3 pin resonator. It came 
with an ATS2313 but not preprogrammed.

I have managed to fine 1 dead link (reset on the micro socket), and 
I've fixed that, but the chip still isn't recognised. 1 LED now 
flashes when you attempt to verify the chip (and all the links are 
installed) It still will not program.

I've check all the other links on the board with the multimeter and 
they all seem ok. I might try swapping out the resonator, pity I 
didn't use the 3 pin socket for it.

--- In simmstick@y..., Leon Blakeley <l.blakeley@c...> wrote:

> Unless the switches and LEDs are attached to the same port/pin then 
it's a fair
> bet that the micro is running!
> 
>

Leon, the switches make the LEDs light up whether there's a micro 
installed or not, they just ground 1 pin of the LEDs (the others are 
tied to +5v...)

liam_caffeine wrote:

> --- In simmstick@y..., Leon Blakeley <l.blakeley@c...> wrote:
>
> > Unless the switches and LEDs are attached to the same port/pin then
> it's a fair
> > bet that the micro is running!
> >
> >
>
> Leon, the switches make the LEDs light up whether there's a micro
> installed or not, they just ground 1 pin of the LEDs (the others are
> tied to +5v...)

OK,
If the leds light w/o the micro in circuit then  they are no indication of
micro activity
From now I'm no help
Cheers

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I'm working on the buttons and lights experiment and I need some 
serious help.  I only have programming experience in assembly and C++ 
and I've never done assembly using c++.  First off, I managed to 
enumerate my devices somehow and one of my pcs thinks that it is a 
LAN modem.  No matter what I do I can't get it to delete the 
drivers.  I've tried messing with the registry but no luck.  So here 
is what happens.  I go in and delete the device from add hardware.  
Restart. Unplug and replug and my machine automatically starts to 
reload the drivers for the modem.  How can I get the device back to 
the empty state?  Which brings up another question.  Where should I 
put the EMPTY.INF, EzLoad.SYS and the special.hex files in my 
computer.  I think that the .INF should be in windows\inf which is 
hidden.  Also I have ezload and the .hex in windows\system32
\drivers.  OK?  Lastly, I'm not even sure if this is the right way to 
enumerate a device.  For us retarted users, the literature doesn't 
really say how to get the first enumeration going.  I can't really 
progress because it thinks it is a modem and uvision will not lik to 
it.  Also, when I try it on my computer at work everything seems ok 
and there is no problem with the modem.  The way I know that it is a 
modem is I just used USBView and there it was.  If anyone can help it 
would be wonderful.  The learning curve is becoming a dirac delta!
Daniel

Daniel,

Hey! Sounds like you have a USBSIMM (and more than a little
bit of trouble with it). Also sounds like you are using the
examples and guidelines that John Hyde has developed.

One thing that is good that I can get from this is that it
at least works on one of your PC. Why it shows up as a LAN
modem, I can only speculate.

But before we get to far, lets do this: Email me directly.
Let me know what versions of Windows you are using. We'll
try to get to the bottom of this.

-Rob




-----Original Message-----
From: danielderkacs [mailto:danielderkacs@y...]
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:17 PM
To: simmstick@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [simmstick] New user needs help w/enumeration


I'm working on the buttons and lights experiment and I need
some
serious help.  I only have programming experience in
assembly and C++
and I've never done assembly using c++.  First off, I
managed to
enumerate my devices somehow and one of my pcs thinks that
it is a
LAN modem.  No matter what I do I can't get it to delete the
drivers.  I've tried messing with the registry but no luck.
So here
is what happens.  I go in and delete the device from add
hardware.
Restart. Unplug and replug and my machine automatically
starts to
reload the drivers for the modem.  How can I get the device
back to
the empty state?  Which brings up another question.  Where
should I
put the EMPTY.INF, EzLoad.SYS and the special.hex files in
my
computer.  I think that the .INF should be in windows\inf
which is
hidden.  Also I have ezload and the .hex in windows\system32
\drivers.  OK?  Lastly, I'm not even sure if this is the
right way to
enumerate a device.  For us retarted users, the literature
doesn't
really say how to get the first enumeration going.  I can't
really
progress because it thinks it is a modem and uvision will
not lik to
it.  Also, when I try it on my computer at work everything
seems ok
and there is no problem with the modem.  The way I know that
it is a
modem is I just used USBView and there it was.  If anyone
can help it
would be wonderful.  The learning curve is becoming a dirac
delta!
Daniel


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Hello. I have a DT001 and DT106 with a PIC 16F877. I
have compiled programs in FED Wiz-C C compiler. In one
of the programs I compiled the hex file has 3FFF at
adress 0x0003. The problem is when I prorgram this, it
programs up to address 0x0003 and then stops. This
causes a verify error on 0x0004 becuase it did not
write from 0x0004 and on. A simple fix for this is to
change the 3FFF to 0000 which I believe is a NOP
instruction. However in a new program I have data is
stored all the way at the end of the program and 3FFF
are in the middle of the program. Therefore it does
not ever write the data.

Erasing the PIC works just fine. All other programs
work and program fine. It's just this one data word
does not write correctly. I am using WinPicProg and
have determined it is not the programmer as two other
people can get my same programs working. One being on
the same hardware as I have. 

Anyone ever hear of this, or have any suggestions. My
edges are nice and clean, I have the correct voltages,
13V for programming, etc. I have exhaustively been
trying to get this programmer to work for months now.
Any suggestions are appreciated.

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Hi Gang, again I'll announce these sockets, but for the last time.

"Peter J. Crowcroft" <peter@k...>
has thousand in stock, and cheap:

http://www.kitsrus.com/bits.html
SIMM sockets as used by Don McKenzie. One tray of 40 pieces $24USD per
tray. Or $1USD each.

He will be shipping all of his stock to me in the near furure.
get in while they are going.

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Dear All,
I am working with simm 100 and use AT90S8535.
But I have problem with programming AVR8535 for ADC and RS-232, 
are there anyone who has the source code in assembler to solve the
problem..?( I use stk500 to burn IC )

Best regards

Agus Mustofa

>From: <simmstick@u...>
>Reply-To: simmstick@yahoogroups.com
>To: simmstick@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [simmstick] Problem to use sim100 ADC and rs-232
>Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:26:24 +0700 (JAVT)
>
>Dear All,
>I am working with simm 100 and use AT90S8535.
>But I have problem with programming AVR8535 for ADC and RS-232,
>are there anyone who has the source code in assembler to solve the
>problem..?( I use stk500 to burn IC )
>

I've got some stuff about RS-232 with the 2313 AVR UART on my web site. The 
8535 UART will be similar.


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Hello,
     I have a simm bus prototyping system consisting of a DT106 40pin micro
board, a DT207 power and comms board and a passive simm backplane.  All I
have connected on the 40pin micro board is the crystal, the 470R resistor,
the 15pF caps to suit the crystal (C5 & C6) and the 2 10K resistors (R1 &
R2) on the MCLR line.  What I find when I connect up a few LED's via wire
wrap wire, is that the micro seems to be resetting itself every 20 ms
(50Hz).  the fuses are set as follows
WDT - OFF
Oscillator - HS
Power Up Timer - ON
Brown Out Detect - OFF
LVP - On
Flash Program Write - On
Background Debug - OFF
Data EE Protect - OFF
Code Protect - OFF

If I put my finger on the Vdd or Vss pins or a couple of the I/O pins, the
system becomes stable.  I suspect that this is a grounding problem, any
hints as to how I can alleviate this?

Regards,
Paul Munday

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What's this got to do with simmsticks?

----- Original Message ----- 

> 
> Here is our new business operation that we have just kicked off:
> Reduce Credit Card Fraud:  http://www.e-dotcom.com
> It has nothing to do with Electronics, but is a direct result of our
> Credit Card dealings on the Internet.
> 
> If you aren't an Internet Credit Card Merchant, then it may be of no
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> well be interested.
>

asd wrote:
> 
> What's this got to do with simmsticks?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> >
> > Here is our new business operation that we have just kicked off:
> > Reduce Credit Card Fraud:  http://www.e-dotcom.com
> > It has nothing to do with Electronics, but is a direct result of our
> > Credit Card dealings on the Internet.

As I said above asd, it doesn't have a lot to do with Electronics, but
as I have put 7 years of my life into SimmStick, and founded and
moderate this list, I figured I could drop a small off topic ad on a
friendly group, that has supported Dontronics faithfully by becoming
members of this list, and it would be understood.

I even went as far as thinking that the group may even be interested to
see what I am up to these days, and offer me some moral support. 

As they say in the spam, sorry for the intrusion.
Cheers Don...

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> "I even went as far as thinking that the group may even be interested to
see what I am up to these days, and offer me some moral support." 

And so we should too! Good luck with it Don.

Ingmar

-----Original Message-----
From: Don McKenzie [mailto:support2003@d...]
Sent: Friday, 6 December 2002 6:48 AM
To: simmstick@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [simmstick] New Dontronics Business


asd wrote:
> 
> What's this got to do with simmsticks?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> >
> > Here is our new business operation that we have just kicked off:
> > Reduce Credit Card Fraud:  http://www.e-dotcom.com
> > It has nothing to do with Electronics, but is a direct result of our
> > Credit Card dealings on the Internet.

As I said above asd, it doesn't have a lot to do with Electronics, but
as I have put 7 years of my life into SimmStick, and founded and
moderate this list, I figured I could drop a small off topic ad on a
friendly group, that has supported Dontronics faithfully by becoming
members of this list, and it would be understood.

I even went as far as thinking that the group may even be interested to
see what I am up to these days, and offer me some moral support. 

As they say in the spam, sorry for the intrusion.
Cheers Don...

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I'm thinking of getting a tray of those SIMM
connectors Don mentioned and offering at least
30 of them for sale to folks in the US.

The pricing would be something like $1 per 
connector with very low first class mail
added on and fast delivery.

Are there enough of you that would buy these
connectors on this basis?  Please email me
and let me know if so and about how many you'd
be getting just to give a rough idea.

Hank